Underlying the pension system is the normative claim that it provides economic security so that one will be cared for in old age, yet the system is failing the elderly of today and its sustainability is questionable. For the provision of care itself, the UK and many Western European countries have been relying on migrant workers, which in some cases have become a black market. In this conversation with our resident artist Vienne Chan and Kinga Milankovics, we will consider the pension system, the remittance economy and social organization.